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		<title>By: BlueBoden</title>
		<link>http://f6design.com/journal/2007/08/07/time-to-ditch-ie6-support-already/comment-page-1/#comment-59736</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueBoden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call it lazy coding, actually it frees up time, which can be better spent on real usability issiues.

Im one of the few, who have ditched support for IE6 and ealier browser versions, without even looking back. The code simply becomes a mess if you must support all these broken browsers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it lazy coding, actually it frees up time, which can be better spent on real usability issiues.</p>
<p>Im one of the few, who have ditched support for IE6 and ealier browser versions, without even looking back. The code simply becomes a mess if you must support all these broken browsers!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve caught this article a bit late, but doesn&#039;t anyone remember IE5? Times are much easier these days if you are only supporting IE6. 

It&#039;s not worth complaining about as most problems with IE6 are solved by using the same solutions. (float:left;, height:1px;. etc).

To be honest I&#039;m kind of worried about what happens when we do drop IE6. People will get a bit complacent when they don&#039;t have to try hard to work on all browsers, resulting in some &quot;lazy&quot; coding. Probably less testing too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve caught this article a bit late, but doesn&#8217;t anyone remember IE5? Times are much easier these days if you are only supporting IE6. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not worth complaining about as most problems with IE6 are solved by using the same solutions. (float:left;, height:1px;. etc).</p>
<p>To be honest I&#8217;m kind of worried about what happens when we do drop IE6. People will get a bit complacent when they don&#8217;t have to try hard to work on all browsers, resulting in some &#8220;lazy&#8221; coding. Probably less testing too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://f6design.com/journal/2007/08/07/time-to-ditch-ie6-support-already/comment-page-1/#comment-10050</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick:

&lt;blockquote&gt;it is our *job* to support it&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well put! It&#039;s all fine and well to code first and foremost for modern browsers, but to disregard the other 50% would be, as you say, &quot;arrogant&quot;.

@John:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Half my clients don’t even have sufficient access to their systems to upgrade their own browsers&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good point. It&#039;s safe to assume that in most corporate environments IE is the preferred web browser, and many IT managers are understandably cautious of doing company wide browser upgrades. It is futile to punish end-users for a situation over which they have no control.

@Phil:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“This page best viewed in….” messages is also a bad idea, there are no longer so-called browser wars&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My feeling as well. I think it&#039;s possible to design for modern browsers while ensuring pages degrade gracefully in old - yet still relevant - browsers such as IE6. Besides, within a couple of years the majority will have upgraded to Vista, with IE7 pre-installed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick:</p>
<blockquote><p>it is our *job* to support it</p></blockquote>
<p>Well put! It&#8217;s all fine and well to code first and foremost for modern browsers, but to disregard the other 50% would be, as you say, &#8220;arrogant&#8221;.</p>
<p>@John:</p>
<blockquote><p>Half my clients don’t even have sufficient access to their systems to upgrade their own browsers</p></blockquote>
<p>Good point. It&#8217;s safe to assume that in most corporate environments IE is the preferred web browser, and many IT managers are understandably cautious of doing company wide browser upgrades. It is futile to punish end-users for a situation over which they have no control.</p>
<p>@Phil:</p>
<blockquote><p>“This page best viewed in….” messages is also a bad idea, there are no longer so-called browser wars</p></blockquote>
<p>My feeling as well. I think it&#8217;s possible to design for modern browsers while ensuring pages degrade gracefully in old &#8211; yet still relevant &#8211; browsers such as IE6. Besides, within a couple of years the majority will have upgraded to Vista, with IE7 pre-installed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jermayn Parker</title>
		<link>http://f6design.com/journal/2007/08/07/time-to-ditch-ie6-support-already/comment-page-1/#comment-10043</link>
		<dc:creator>Jermayn Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it is that we providing a service (websites) and it is our job to make sure it works the best no matter what they are viewing (using) the website.

It stinks of slackness and disrespect imo :twisted:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it is that we providing a service (websites) and it is our job to make sure it works the best no matter what they are viewing (using) the website.</p>
<p>It stinks of slackness and disrespect imo <img src='http://f6design.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://f6design.com/journal/2007/08/07/time-to-ditch-ie6-support-already/comment-page-1/#comment-10042</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not supporting IE6 would be a quick way for a web developer to lose interest from all current and potential clients. IE6 will hang on for a while for a number of reasons, the ineffectiveness of Vista&#039;s release, people who don&#039;t like change, businesses who upgrade slowly (I know a client of my company still uses IE5, though they are planning to upgrade to IE6 later this year, they may never get to IE7!), and so on.

Blocking out users of certain browsers or bringing back the &quot;This page best viewed in....&quot; messages is also a bad idea, there are no longer so-called browser wars as most browsers are getting closer to the standards. It is possible to deliver a reasonable site in IE6 without too many hacks and I would certainly rather do that than block out half the users of the internet! I do however like to leave adverts to upgrade to Firefox within IE conditional comments, but I know that&#039;s not going to make a huge difference!

Finally, your point about who gets the blame for bad websites is totally right. Your average user doesn&#039;t know about browser bugs or standards support. When they see a broken website they will leave and not return, not something you want to inflict on your clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not supporting IE6 would be a quick way for a web developer to lose interest from all current and potential clients. IE6 will hang on for a while for a number of reasons, the ineffectiveness of Vista&#8217;s release, people who don&#8217;t like change, businesses who upgrade slowly (I know a client of my company still uses IE5, though they are planning to upgrade to IE6 later this year, they may never get to IE7!), and so on.</p>
<p>Blocking out users of certain browsers or bringing back the &#8220;This page best viewed in&#8230;.&#8221; messages is also a bad idea, there are no longer so-called browser wars as most browsers are getting closer to the standards. It is possible to deliver a reasonable site in IE6 without too many hacks and I would certainly rather do that than block out half the users of the internet! I do however like to leave adverts to upgrade to Firefox within IE conditional comments, but I know that&#8217;s not going to make a huge difference!</p>
<p>Finally, your point about who gets the blame for bad websites is totally right. Your average user doesn&#8217;t know about browser bugs or standards support. When they see a broken website they will leave and not return, not something you want to inflict on your clients.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article Jonathan.

While *forcing* people to upgrade to a better browser is a great idea in the imaginary world, in the real world, imagine having to tell your clients that the broken site they are seeing in IE6 really does work, and that furthermore, they are to blame for having an out of date browser is to say the least, a hard sell. 

Half my clients don&#039;t even have sufficient access to their systems to upgrade their own browsers, let alone the know-how, not to mention that only a year ago I was having to support IE5.0 for a company whose IT was refusing to update.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article Jonathan.</p>
<p>While *forcing* people to upgrade to a better browser is a great idea in the imaginary world, in the real world, imagine having to tell your clients that the broken site they are seeing in IE6 really does work, and that furthermore, they are to blame for having an out of date browser is to say the least, a hard sell. </p>
<p>Half my clients don&#8217;t even have sufficient access to their systems to upgrade their own browsers, let alone the know-how, not to mention that only a year ago I was having to support IE5.0 for a company whose IT was refusing to update.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Nick&#039;s &quot;Trash All IE Hacks&quot; to be arrogant and shortsighted. 52% is a majority share. Hell, even his initial 37% is a massive percentage. When our clients and more importantly our customers are still using IE6 (which is a modern browser, still supported by the developer) it is our *job* to support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Nick&#8217;s &#8220;Trash All IE Hacks&#8221; to be arrogant and shortsighted. 52% is a majority share. Hell, even his initial 37% is a massive percentage. When our clients and more importantly our customers are still using IE6 (which is a modern browser, still supported by the developer) it is our *job* to support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://f6design.com/journal/2007/08/07/time-to-ditch-ie6-support-already/comment-page-1/#comment-9927</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;btw what is a good way to get IE6 to show transparent pngs???&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://f6design.com/journal/2006/10/27/transparent-pngs-in-ie6-standalone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;answer here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>btw what is a good way to get IE6 to show transparent pngs???</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://f6design.com/journal/2006/10/27/transparent-pngs-in-ie6-standalone/" rel="nofollow">answer here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jermayn Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jermayn Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw what is a good way to get IE6 to show transparent pngs??? I cannot seem to get anything to work :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw what is a good way to get IE6 to show transparent pngs??? I cannot seem to get anything to work <img src='http://f6design.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jermayn - I think that&#039;s a very sensible approach. I have a couple of techniques I use frequently that require workarounds for IE6 (Suckerfish, in particular), but by and large I code in such a way that IE doesn&#039;t cause me many headaches.

When you compare it to IE5 (don&#039;t even &lt;em&gt;mention&lt;/em&gt; IE5 Macintosh in my presence), IE6 is really a piece of cake to keep happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jermayn &#8211; I think that&#8217;s a very sensible approach. I have a couple of techniques I use frequently that require workarounds for IE6 (Suckerfish, in particular), but by and large I code in such a way that IE doesn&#8217;t cause me many headaches.</p>
<p>When you compare it to IE5 (don&#8217;t even <em>mention</em> IE5 Macintosh in my presence), IE6 is really a piece of cake to keep happy.</p>
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